Friday, 30 November 2012

Secular Café: UN Recognises State of Palestine

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UN Recognises State of Palestine
Nov 30th 2012, 13:47

Guardian -

Quote:

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United Nations has voted overwhelmingly to recognize a Palestinian state, but the Palestinians still face enormous limitations: They don't control their borders, airspace or trade, they have separate and competing governments in Gaza and the West Bank, and they have no unified army or police.

In an extraordinary lineup of international support, more than two-thirds of the world body's 193 member states approved the resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status from an observer to a nonmember observer state on Thursday. It passed 138-9, with 41 abstentions.

The vote was a victory decades in the making for the Palestinians after years of occupation and war. It was a sharp rebuke for Israel and the United States.

The vote grants Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas an overwhelming international endorsement for his key position: establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem, the territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war. A Palestinian flag was quickly unfurled on the floor of the General Assembly, behind the Palestinian delegation, after an electronic screen lit up with the final vote.

Real independence, however, remains an elusive dream until the Palestinians negotiate a peace deal with the Israelis, who warned that the General Assembly action will only delay a lasting solution. Israel still controls the West Bank, east Jerusalem and access to Gaza, and it accused the Palestinians of bypassing negotiations with the campaign to upgrade their U.N. status.
cont'd http://news.yahoo.com/un-vote-recogn...222714646.html

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Thursday, 29 November 2012

Secular Café: betrayal of your background

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betrayal of your background
Nov 30th 2012, 02:43

just something rattling through my head who are worse champagne socialists or council flat capitalists discuss at will

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Friday, 23 November 2012

Secular Café: 2016 US Presidential Candidates?

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2016 US Presidential Candidates?
Nov 23rd 2012, 18:23

Campaigning starting already?

Marco Rubio headed to Iowa: Has 2016 already started? - CSMonitor.com (Nov 8, 2 days after Election Day)
Quote:

Marco Rubio headed to Iowa: Has 2016 already started?

Senator Marco Rubio will be in Iowa next week – birthplace of many a presidential campaign. After Mitt Romney's dismal showing among Latino voters, the ambitious young Cuban-American is only growing in importance to the Republican Party.
Daily Kos: Marco Rubio 2016: The Great Right Hope
Markos noted Marco Rubio takes message to Iowa - Lois Romano - POLITICO.com
Mainly Republican boilerplate, with a mention of "immigration reform" without any specifics. Is he hoping to get the Hispanic vote with that?


From the last time around, I remember the most recent start was in 2009 or 2010, around 2 years before the recent election, so let's keep our eyes peeled for politicians who show an interest in running in 2016. Marco Rubio has started acting like he does, even if he has not officially declared himself to be in the race.

Turning to Presidential offspring, which family seems likely to have a dynasty of Presidents?

According to the US Constitution, one has to be at least 35 years old to become President. So let's see which ones will pass that threshold in 2016 or 2020.
  • Chelsea Clinton, Feb 27, 1980 -- 2016
  • Jenna Bush, Barbara Bush II, Nov 25, 1981 -- 2016
  • George P. Bush, Apr 24, 1976 -- 2012
  • Noelle Bush, Jul 26, 1977 -- 2012
  • Jeb Bush II, Dec 13, 1983 -- 2020
  • Malia Obama, Jul 4, 1998 -- 2036
  • Sasha Obama, Jun 10, 2001 -- 2036
Chelsea Clinton vs. Jenna Bush in 2016?

As to Jenna Bush, I don't know what she will do about this picture of her in action: http://skimble.blogspot.com/images/JennaBush.jpg Will she advertise it as evidence of what a forceful leader she will be?


As to the Republicans changing their policies to get more votes, I think that they'd have to suffer more crushing defeats before they do that. Sort of like what had happened in the past - transitions between party systems were marked by crushing defeats in the House.

There have been at least 5 party systems so far:
#1: Federalist vs. Democratic-Republican Parties: 1796 - 1824
Federalist Party collapses, D-R splits in two
#2: Democratic vs. National Republican, then Whig Parties: 1828 - 1854
Whig Party collapses, Republican Party emerges
#3: Democratic vs. Republican Parties: 1854 - 1896
#4: Democratic vs. Republican Parties: 1896 - 1932
#5: Democratic vs. Republican Parties: 1932 - present

It seems that we are in a transition toward a sixth party system, though so far it has been gradual. The Republicans had started out as a northern regional party, but over the last half-century or so, it has shifted its base to the former Confederacy, changing from being the party of Abraham Lincoln to being the party of Jefferson Davis.

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Tuesday, 20 November 2012

Secular Café: The Occupy Movement - a year later

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The Occupy Movement - a year later
Nov 20th 2012, 20:48

One Year After the Occupation | BillMoyers.com

Despite its failure to continue to camp out in city parks, the Occupy activists have continued to be active.

Strike Debt! Debt Resistance for the 99% - it has "The Debt Resistors' Operations Manual" and the Rolling Jubilee project:
Quote:

We buy debt for pennies on the dollar, but instead of collecting it, we abolish it. We cannot buy specific individuals' debt—instead, we help liberate debtors at random through a campaign of mutual support, good will, and collective refusal.
The site states that this project has raised $368,248 to abolish $7,373,377 of debt, a factor of 20 more.

The Occupy Sandy effort. Where were all the super-generous rich Republican donors like the Koch brothers?

Occupy Our Homes - anti-foreclosure effort

Occupy the Courts - We the People, Not We the Corporations | Move to Amend
From the site's FAQ file:
Quote:

What is "Corporate Personhood"?

There are two conceptions of "corporate personhood". The first simply bestows upon corporations the ability to engage in many legal actions (e.g. enter into contracts, sue, be sued, etc). This is widely accepted and we do not object to this.

However, "corporate personhood" also commonly refers to the Supreme Court-created precedent of corporations enjoying constitutional rights that were intended solely for human beings. We believe this form of "corporate personhood" corrupts our Constitution and must be corrected by amending the Constitution. Neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution ever mention corporations. But thanks to decades of rulings by Justices who molded the law to favor elite interests, corporations today are granted so-called "rights" that empower them to deny citizens the right to full self-governance.
That file then mentions a proposed Constitutional amendment abolishing corporate personhood:
Quote:

The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only.

Artificial entities, such as corporations, limited liability companies, and other entities, established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights under this Constitution and are subject to regulation by the People, through Federal, State, or local law.

The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by the People, through Federal, State, or local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable.
OccuCopy - "This worker-owned cooperative provides products and services for the Occupy Wall Street movement and the 99 percent."

The Occupy Labor Alliance is of several workers' rights activist groups.

The Occupy Cooperative is "a one-person, one-vote coop that aims to develop low-cost, comprehensive financial services and products that will be available to everyone."

Occupy the SEC
Quote:

Occupy the SEC submitted a 325 page letter to the SEC, FDIC, the Federal Reserve and the OCC, to comment on the notice of proposed rulemaking for the Volcker Rule. In our comment letter, we answered 244 out of 395 questions asked by the Agencies.

The Agencies involved in the Volcker rulemaking process have an historic opportunity to redress many of the economic wrongs of the past, and create a future that privileges the interests of the many rather than the few. We ask that the Agencies vigorously implement the considerable responsibilities that have been discharged to them by Congress, remain faithful to the statute's intent and consider the comments contained in this letter.

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Secular Café: Nurse Does the Right Thing, Gets Arrested

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Nurse Does the Right Thing, Gets Arrested
Nov 20th 2012, 12:05

A nurse refuses to do an invasive search without a court order.

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/johnston-...ed-ar-2786204/

Quote:

SELMA, N.C. --
A Selma police officer has been suspended with pay after being accused of handcuffing a nursing supervisor at a Johnston County hospital over the weekend.

Selma police investigators said Wednesday that officer Travis Abbott took a suspected drunken driver to the Johnston Medical Center emergency room in Smithfield around 1:30 a.m. Saturday to have blood drawn.

According to a 911 call, Abbott handcuffed the nurse when she refused to draw blood because Abbott didn't have a court order.

"Officer Travis Abbott came and just arrested and made a huge scene with our house administrators," a nurse told the 911 dispatch supervisor in the call. "He just handcuffed her - he could care less about anything - in front of the middle of our ER. And this whole ER is in complete chaos, and frankly, somebody needs to come here and handle it."

The nursing supervisor was released from Abbott's handcuffs after Smithfield police and Johnston County sheriff's deputies arrived.

Selma police are investigating the claim but won't comment on the specific allegations.

They did confirm that the DWI suspect was later taken to the county magistrate, who released him because there was no probable cause.

Abbott has been with the Selma Police Department since 2009.

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Saturday, 17 November 2012

Secular Café: Global Warming and CO2 Emissions - Worse than we thought?

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Global Warming and CO2 Emissions - Worse than we thought?
Nov 17th 2012, 21:44

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-math-20120719

Do you think a movement is possible? I'm sure many would jump on the energy-conservation and hybrid car bandwagon, were it affordable. Between all the global crises at hand, are we really in any position to make any changes? It is becoming harder and harder to publicly protest anything - and even if we did, we have no power over the decisions made. These oil companies and the world's wealthiest people are invested in oil, and with all the cash they dump into politics they are clearly ready to pay right out their asses to protect their investment. We would need a massive worldwide movement. Do we have any hope of a future?

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Secular Café: On the US election

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On the US election
Nov 17th 2012, 16:16

Just thought I'd drop in to post the opinion of a late-middle-aged, religious white male from the American South on the re-election of President Obama:

WOOHOO!

Turns out it isn't as easy for predatory plutocrats to buy an election as they thought. Good news all the way around, in my opinion.

Everyone be well.

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Friday, 16 November 2012

Secular Café: Hostess liquidation

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Hostess liquidation
Nov 17th 2012, 06:06

Quote:

There are two sides to the story but 18,500 families are at the mercy of a few. While I do not eat any of their products nor do I pass judgment on their place in our diets, I do feel that all the families involved deserve better than the bull headed decisions set by a few who are drawing a line in the sand. I would love to see the pay structures in this company. How much does senior management make? How top heavy is the management structure? How well are they taken care of no matter what the outcome? This can turn out to be a perfect example of the capitalism run rampant that really was at the heart of the presidential election. This needs to be raised to the top of news stories and played out in the public forum at the highest level so people can see what we have become. The 1,000,000 workers in the postal service need to pay attention. Times are changing dramatically and we need to take care of the human consequences of these dramatic upheavals in the basic structure in our economy. Principles are a good thing but not at all cost.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/11/...ill-liquidate/

Agreed!

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Secular Café: Who is more generous?

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Who is more generous?
Nov 16th 2012, 21:21

This article brings up the question again: Study: Conservatives and liberals are equally charitable, but they give to different charities
noting
Who Really Gives? Partisanship and Charitable Giving in the United States by Michele Margolis, Michael Sances :: SSRN
Quote:

Charitable contributions are the lifeblood of many nonprofit organizations; however, little attention has been paid to how political attitudes affect donations. In this paper, we first show that conservatives and liberals are equally generous in their donation habits. This pattern holds at both the individual and state level, and contradicts the conventional wisdom that partisans differ in their generosity. Second, we show that while levels of giving are roughly equivalent, liberals are much more likely to donate to secular organizations, and conservatives are more likely to donate to religious causes, especially their own congregation. Finally, we examine the dynamic relationship between political control and individual partisanship. We find that charitable contributions fluctuate based on the political landscape: Democrats (Republicans) donate less money when a Republican (Democrat) occupies the White House. Conversely, having a co-partisan in the White House increases the average and total donations to nonprofits at the state level. In addition to furthering our understanding of partisan bias, our findings demonstrate that the results of a presidential election could have significant consequences for nonprofit organizations and the populations they serve.
Back to the WP article, it had noted
Quote:

More generally, Arthur Brooks, the president of the American Enterprise Institute, frequently claims that conservative Americans are more generous with their charitable giving than their liberal counterparts.
One of his findings, however, was that religious people tend to give more than nonreligious people, and that secular conservatives are the least generous of all. That religious conservatives are the more generous sort of conservative is, however, consistent with the findings of the Margolis-Sances paper.

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Secular Café: Presidential Karma Map of States

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Presidential Karma Map of States
Nov 16th 2012, 09:03

Daily Kos: The State Presidential Karma Map
Daily Kos: The 2012 State Presidential Karma Map

Troubadour rates the states by which Presidential candidates they voted for, adding a karma score that he'd (she'd?) devised for each choice. He started off with a karma reset for the election of 1932, which he claimed was the first election since 1860 that involved a starkly moral choice. He then added up the karma scores for each election, though he could have put in a decay factor to indicate fading relevance of earlier results. Here are his scores:

Year Cand #1 # Cand #2 # Cand #3 #
1932 FDR (D) +10 Herbert Hoover (R) -5  
1936 FDR (D) +5 Alf Landon (R) -2  
1940 FDR (D) +2 Wendell Willkie (R) -1  
1944 FDR (D) +1 Thomas Dewey (R) -4  
1948 Harry Truman (D) +5 Thomas Dewey (R) -2 Strom Thurmond (X) -10
1952 Dwight Eisenhower (R) 0 Adlai Stevenson (D) 0  
1956 Dwight Eisenhower (R) 0 Adlai Stevenson (D) 0  
1960 JFK (D) +7 Richard Nixon (R) -3 Harry Byrd (X) -10
1964 LBJ (D) +2 Barry Goldwater (R) -10  
1968 Richard Nixon (R) -10 Hubert Humphrey (D) +7 George Wallace (X) -10
1972 Richard Nixon (R) -5 George McGovern (D) +5  
1976 Jimmy Carter (D) +2 Gerald Ford (R) -2  
1980 Ronald Reagan (R) -7 Jimmy Carter (D) +5  
1984 Ronald Reagan (R) -10 Walter Mondale (D) +1  
1988 George Bush I (R) -5 Michael Dukakis (D) +2  
1992 Bill Clinton (D) +5 George Bush I (R) -3  
1996 Bill Clinton (D) +3 Bob Dole (R) -5  
2000 George Bush II (R) -10 Al Gore (D) +8  
2004 George Bush II (R) -10 John Kerry (D) +10  
2008 Barack Obama (D) +10 John McCain (R) -10  
2012 Barack Obama (D) +10 Mitt Romney (R) -10  
The X's are Dixiecrats.

The highest-scoring state is Minnesota at 87, and the lowest-scoring one is Mississippi at -98.

It would be interesting to do this scoring for Congress and state governments, though that would take more work.

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Tuesday, 13 November 2012

Secular Café: Moral men and women will deny women equal rights.

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Moral men and women will deny women equal rights.
Nov 13th 2012, 17:28

Moral men and women will deny women equal rights.

Seeking and demanding sanctity is one of the main five best rules of morality. Those rules shown below closely resemble most religious rules. For humankind to give an idea sanctity they must give sacrifice to it. The sacrifice that we must all do is deny women equality and give men a lower position in rulership. Men must bend the knee to women and elevate them to our ultimate sovereign. Those women and men who do not demand this are not in the best moral state of mind and should try to move to it.

We are all natural animals and follow the hierarchical rules of those species which have Alpha males. The main survival strategy of such a species is that the Alpha males will fight to the death to insure that the Beta females live.

Females, as the incubators of life and the most important within that species, must have the highest protection to insure that they will survive to continue the life of that species. Men, being the most physically powerful and having a more natural tendency to rule, must take a leadership role to insure this continuity. The Alpha of any species fights to insure that the Beta always has the highest position. The Kings and all other men IOW, must rule as the power behind the throne but the Queen is the one who must always sit on that throne and rule over the King.

The research done by Mr. Haigt shows that the right wings of religions and politics show more concern with tribalism than do the left wings. It appears then that if we are to move to the most advantageous moral position then it is to the right wings to promote it. As an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian, I am the left of center and not in the best camp to sell the view that women should rule even as I recognize that they should. The right has been given a wakeup call thanks to president Obama being re-elected. FMPOV then, the right needs a new platform if they are to survive, as they should to balance the political spectrum.

Generally speaking only; women are the weaker of the sexes and are better places to know what the requirements of survival are and should thus rule. Women should then demand the full protection and sacrifice of the Alphas males as that is the natural order of hierarchical species and must be to insure survival. This sacrifice gives sanctity to our species and insures it's longevity. The religious and political right seem better suited to lead towards this end.

In my opinion, men and women who do not agree with this premise are not taking the best moral position for families or for society at large. This issue is more in the hands of men than women and in that sense men would be more immoral than women if they do not deny women equality and place women above themselves.

Should the religious and political right take up this best moral position and demand that equality be denied to all women and demand that they be given their rightful and natural position above men?

Please see the research and logic behind this premise.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHc-yMcfAY4

Regards
DL

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Secular Café: US Foreign Policy -- Diplomatic and Military

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US Foreign Policy -- Diplomatic and Military
Nov 13th 2012, 13:13

Here is a partial list of US attitude on the diplomatic front. I picked on the US because it is the most powerful of the western powers -- who all do their share to "protect their interests".

For those who do not read carefully, items in the list are UN resolutions that the US VETOED!

History of US vetoes of UN Security Council Resolutions up to 2002

1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.

1973 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.

1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.

1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.

1976 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians.

1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure United Nations decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.

1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.

1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.

1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.

1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.

1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.

1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.

1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms race.

1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.

1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.

1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.

1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.

1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.

1979 Calls for protection of developing counties' exports.

1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms.

1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of states.

1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.

1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.

1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations.

1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.

1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.

1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.

1980 Affirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.

1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.

1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.

1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of United Nations Decade for Women.

1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.

1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.

1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.

1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing countries.

1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.

1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.

1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.

1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament.

1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.

1981 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc are human rights.

1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring states, condemns apartheid and attempts to strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.

1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the Seychelles.

1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.

1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).

1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.

1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.

1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.

1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the ecology.

1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives and debts.

1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space. 3 resolutions.

1982 Supports a new world information and communications order.

1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.

1982 Development of international law.

1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .

1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.

1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.

1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.

1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 15 resolutions.

1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and other policies.

1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.

1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.

1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 18 resolutions.

1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.

1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.

1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. 3 resolutions.

1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and neo-Fascist activities .

1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to observe international law.

1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against South Africa.

1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.

1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.

1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.

1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, trade, media bias, the environment and development.
8 resolutions.

1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.

1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.

1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.

1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the League of Arab States.

1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court of Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities against Nicaragua and a call to end the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.

1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people from national liberation.

1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international debt and trade. 3 resolutions.

1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.

1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.

1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.

1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".

1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).

1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.

1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.

1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.

1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.

1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.

1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resolutions.

1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.

1995 Affirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.

1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 2 resolutions.

1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba. 8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).

2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.

2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.

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Secular Café: The “Fall of The Roman Empire” is a myth.

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The "Fall of The Roman Empire" is a myth.
Nov 13th 2012, 02:26

Rome has never fallen – it's still with us today. Actually, we, in the 'Western' world are it.

There is a direct, continuous (although fading in and out) line that connects us to our heritage. It is the same philosophy: values, methods, aims, decadence -- just as it was back in Nero's time (although with a lot more lying and denial). Everything we pursue today: science, 'democracy', technology, 'justice', bureaucratic and hierarchical structures, 'civilizing' the savages – were there already: in Rome.

The rest of the world is our playground: to conquer and loot at our whim and pleasure. Science and technology gives us the weapons, organizational ability gives us the methods to accomplish this. In this, we are 'superior' to the rest of the world and we never let them forget it.

A cruise missile here and there and the occasional 'punishing war' will serve as a reminder. And our trump-card: our nuclear arsenal, that can destroy all life on Earth, is our final argument. That is why we go to any length to make sure that the 'savages' don't get their own. We certainly would not like it used against us, even as a threat.

However, just like in Nero's time, we are so decadent, so out of touch with reality, that we seem to be helpless against the hatred and determination of the 'savages'. We bumble from one attempt at conquest or reprisal to another, bleeding our blood and money on the battlefields, losing way more than what we gain.

In the meantime, the Planet is steadily being destroyed under our feet and we face self-destruction when we run out of victims to feed on.

Yes, we are actually eating the rest of humanity alive.

Yesterday's headlines on CBC website: "25 million people starve to death each year", "14,000 new HIV patients every day". Aids is spreading from Africa to Eastern Europe, Russia, India and China. The planet is fast running out of resources and pollution (especially outside 'Rome') reach catastrophic levels. This is the price the rest of the world has to pay for our 'affluence'.

We pretend that globalization is helping those poor people 'over there'. We are giving them jobs in the factories we set up on their land to spread civilization. First we had to destroy their way of life, foist the most ruthless among them to do our slave-trading for us and prop them up with weapons and loans so they can suppress their own people for us.

Then, since they are so deep in debt for the unpaid weapons, we make them pay for it by growing exotic fruit and coffee beans for us; make our shoes, clothes and play-things for us; let us extract and cart away all their natural resources, shipping it to the west in a never-ending convoy of transport ships.

In exchange we let them live in the shanty towns surrounding our modern factories, and not quite starve on the wages we pay them. The lack of minimum safety standards and pollution preventing safeguards is just an unfortunate side effect they have to live with.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it is true, we, in the 'Western Democracies', are still the Empire of Rome, in aims, methods, values, ruthlessness and appetite.

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Secular Café: The South Rises Again?

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The South Rises Again?
Nov 12th 2012, 21:55

15 states have petitions to secceed from the union. The petitions are to Obama to allow them to peacefully leave the union and form their own country. Each petition must have 25,000 signatures for them to be considered by the President. So far, the largest one has about 7000.

Of course, the states that are petitioning are also the states that secceeded from the union during the War of Northern Aggression. (Yes, I am a Southerner).

But, that claim made, I am ashamed of my beloved South today.

I mean its not like its going to come to anything, but it still makes me sick to my stomach that such a thing can be approved by even that many people.

:dunno:

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Secular Café: Obama Re-Elections Means EVERYONE MUST SUFFER

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Obama Re-Elections Means EVERYONE MUST SUFFER
Nov 12th 2012, 20:44

Many corporate restaurants are claiming that because Obama was re-elected, they now have to cut employees' hours due to extra costs from Obamacare (which has already been in effect for some time now) in addition to raising the price of pizzas. The funny thing is, by cutting employees' hours, most everyone no longer qualifies for employer-covered healthcare. So the only thing this does is help them gain more profit. WHAT A DICK.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/new...ours-to-be-cut

The ONLY way to take a stand is to boycott the companies that do this. Do I think America will do this? No. It makes me sad because that is literally the only way, in a consumer society, we can manage some control. The way we spend our money.

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Sunday, 11 November 2012

Secular Café: Julia Gillard Australian Prime Minister's Speech

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Julia Gillard Australian Prime Minister's Speech
Nov 12th 2012, 03:36

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Secular Café: New generation taking control in China

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New generation taking control in China
Nov 11th 2012, 08:49

It's interesting that he grew up privileged but suffered, as did so many, under the Cultural Revolution, when China under Mao went a bit mad.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/07/wo...rticle_sidebar

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Secular Café: Economic Growth Stopping?

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Economic Growth Stopping?
Nov 11th 2012, 06:12

Daily Kos: The End of Economic Growth, Economic Inequality, and Class War by TomP
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Capitalism is based on constant economic growth, but what happens if it ends?
I disagree with this premise - capitalism can and does exist in steady-state societies. TomP also asks what kind of growth can happen in strongly stratified societies -- not much, if any, he suspects.

The Self-Destruction of the 1 Percent - NYTimes.com by Chrystia Freeland
She appeared in Bill Moyers on the Plutocrat Elite - Secular Café along with Matt Taibbi.

She discussed what happened to Venice in the early 14th cy. After a period when entrepreneurs could easily finance trading expeditions, Venice's elite made themselves a closed club. In 1315, they published their Book of Gold (Libro d'Oro) of Registered Aristocrats, an event called The Closure (La Serrata). They cut off commercial opportunities for those outside their circle, and Venice slowly declined.

She then notes a distinction between inclusive and extractive states; inclusive ones try to create economic opportunity for all, while extractive ones have elites who try to extract wealth from the rest of society.

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The history of the United States can be read as one such virtuous circle. But as the story of Venice shows, virtuous circles can be broken. Elites that have prospered from inclusive systems can be tempted to pull up the ladder they climbed to the top. Eventually, their societies become extractive and their economies languish.

That was the future predicted by Karl Marx, who wrote that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction. And it is the danger America faces today, as the 1 percent pulls away from everyone else and pursues an economic, political and social agenda that will increase that gap even further — ultimately destroying the open system that made America rich and allowed its 1 percent to thrive in the first place.
Like getting themselves exempted from taxes, as Warren Buffett has noted, and getting government bailouts for themselves while decrying bailouts as morally corrupting.
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Historically, the United States has enjoyed higher social mobility than Europe, and both left and right have identified this economic openness as an essential source of the nation's economic vigor. But several recent studies have shown that in America today it is harder to escape the social class of your birth than it is in Europe. The Canadian economist Miles Corak has found that as income inequality increases, social mobility falls — a phenomenon Alan B. Krueger, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, has called the Great Gatsby Curve.
The US had started out relatively equal, a nation with lots of small farmers. But industrialization changed that, bringing about the Gilded Age. I think that it's fair to say that we are now in Gilded Age II.

This need not be a great conspiracy, but the effect of elites making lots of immediate decisions. Since their purchasing power is much greater than that of the rest of the population, they can end up pricing important things out of reach. They may also not want to invest very much in people who seem like losers to them.

No More Industrial Revolutions? - NYTimes.com by Thomas B. Edsall
noting Is US Economic Growth Over? by Robert J. Gordon
RJG notes
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IR #1 (steam, railroads) from 1750 to 1830; IR #2 (electricity, internal combustion engine, running water, indoor toilets, communications, entertainment, chemicals, petroleum) from 1870 to 1900; and IR #3 (computers, the web, mobile phones) from 1960 to present.
He argues that each one was followed by a period of expansion, but once "the spin-off inventions from IR #2 (airplanes, air conditioning, interstate highways) had run their course, productivity growth during 1972-96 was much slower than before." About IR #3,
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created only a short-lived growth revival between 1996 and 2004. Many of the original and spin-off inventions of IR #2 could happen only once – urbanization, transportation speed, the freedom of females from the drudgery of carrying tons of water per year, and the role of central heating and air conditioning in achieving a year-round constant temperature.
TBE then notes David Autor:
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My guess is that the big gains in the next couple of decades are likely to come from the medical arena — prolonging life, tackling disease, correcting genetic deficiencies, regrowing limbs, reversing the course of Alzheimer's. ...

It's my hope — but here I'm less confident — that advances in energy generation (solar, wind power, efficiency itself) will contribute to stemming global warming by reducing carbon emissions. That would be a major improvement to the expected trajectory of G.D.P.
I myself think that continuing advancement in computer hardware and software will continue. Some aspects of it will likely slow down, while others will likely continue, increasing the amount of processing power and memory that will be readily available.

Artificial intelligence has been one of the great disappointments of my life. It has progressed FAR more slowly than many people had expected in the 1960's and 1970's. But it is nevertheless progressing, and robotics is also progressing, with applications like automated warehousing and crop picking. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a decade, it became good enough to displace a *lot* of human workers in these and similar fields.

TBE then notes Martin Wolf in the Financial Times:
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For almost two centuries, today's high-income countries enjoyed waves of innovation that made them both far more prosperous than before and far more powerful than everybody else. This was the world of the American dream and American exceptionalism. Now innovation is slow and economic catch-up fast. The elites of the high-income countries quite like this new world. The rest of their population like it vastly less. Get used to this. It will not change.
This article was US-centered; what's been happening elsewhere?

Finally, PLoS ONE: Entrepreneurs , Chance, and the Deterministic Concentration of Wealth is a nice article on how wealth concentration can happen without anything special going on, and how concentrations of wealth can impede economic growth. That article uses a statistical approach, with random fluctuations in fortunes and positive feedback. This combination is all that is necessary, contrary to the favored hypotheses of both the Left and the Right.

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